BLOOD MOON DEBATE

Are ‘Blood Moons’ a Biblical Sign

Apr. 15, 2014 2:23pm Billy Hallowell  

 

Are specific celestial events, including Tuesday’s “blood moon,” really evidence that the end times are upon us or that, at the least, something profound is on the horizon concerning Israel?
It’s the latter claim that’s being made by Texas pastor John Hagee, whose 2013 book, “Four Blood Moons: Something Is About to Change,” detailed the supposedly prophetic signs Hagee believes God is sending mankind.
Hagee contends that these messages are coming through tetrads — rare series of four total lunar eclipses that occur over two-year periods. These “blood moons,” named for the reddish color that results when the Earth comes between the sun and moon, are tied to major events involving Israel, he says.

“It is rare that scripture, science and history align with each other, yet the last three series of four blood moons have done exactly that,” reads a description of Hagee’s latest book. ”Just as in biblical times, God is controlling the sun, the moon and the stars to send our generation a signal that something big is about to happen.”
In an interview with TheBlaze last year, Hagee said the premise of his theory is “confirmed by NASA” data. He argued that a series of four blood moons have appeared on Passover and Sukkot, also known as Feast of Tabernacles (Passover celebrates the Jews’ liberation from Egyptian slavery and Sukkot commemorates the Jews’ 40-year wandering in the desert).
And each time, he said, something significant has happened concerning the Jewish people.
“This has happened only three times in over 500 years, so it’s a very rare thing,” Hagee said, adding that the dates during which the tetrads fell always began with “tears” and ended in “triumph.”
While there have certainly been other sets of four blood moons, only eight times in the past 2,000 years have all four in a series fallen on the two Jewish holidays consecutively.
The Historical ‘Blood Moons’ Narrative
In 1492, King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella “issued an edict of expulsion” kicking the Jews out of Spain, Hagee told TheBlaze. This happened during the Spanish Inquisition, which began in 1478 in an effort to rid the region of Jews and Muslims.
According to NASA data, there was a tetrad from 1493 to 1494 (there were three preceding tetrads that century as well, but they did not fall on Jewish holidays).

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And that’s not the only series of blood moons Hagee links to Israel, as NASA data shows that yet another tetrad unfolded between 1949 and 1950, a key time for Israel’s modern-day manifestation.
“In 1948, that’s the year Israel became a state,” he explained. “The thing that happened prior to that was the tragedy of the Holocaust, which ended in the rejoicing of statehood.”
Another tetrad happened between 1967 and 1968, a period which saw the Six-Day War — a moment of “triumph” when Jerusalem was reunified and became “the eternal capital of the Jewish people once again,” Hagee said.
NASA data also shows that four blood moons emerged between the years 1909-1910, 1927-1928 and 1985-1986, but these also did not fall on the Jewish holidays.
The Current Tetrad
NASA says the current tetrad of blood moons that started early Tuesday morning will last until Sept. 28, 2015. The last tetrad to occur happened between 2003 and 2004, though it did not fall on Jewish holidays.
Hagee said that there would “not be anymore four blood moons in the future” that fall on these holidays, so he says the current tetrad could indicate the start of some major, earth-shattering events.
NASA data does appear to show six others will happen this century, but none appear to have all four blood moons fall on both Passover and Sukkot as they do in 2014 and 2015.
“When you think about the precision that God has to perform in getting the sun, the moon and the Earth in perfect alignment and to produce that exactness on passover and Feast of Tabernacles … the random probability of that just runs off the charts,” Hagee told TheBlaze.

Pastor John Hagee (Image source: YouTube/Worthy Publishing)

“I think the thing that people will take away from this is that it means, based on past history, that something is about to change in the Middle East concerning Israel that will affect the nations of world and everyone on planet Earth,” he said. “No one knows for sure what it will be, but based on the pattern of the past it will involve Israel. It will begin with tears and end in triumph and change the course of history forever.”
Is There a Scriptural Basis for the Theory?
Hagee took TheBlaze through biblical scripture that he said shows that God has traditionally communicated with mankind through celestial means and that “God is sending planet Earth signals from the heavens.”
He cited Joel 2:20-21 in the Old Testament and Acts 2:19-20 and Luke 21:25-28 in the New Testament; Revelation 6:12 also references a red moon, though Hagee didn’t mention this verse to TheBlaze.
The verses he did mention read as follows (the verses from Acts are not presented below, as they generally reference the words of Joel, though they can be read here):

Joel 2:20-21: “I will show wonders in the heavens and on the earth, blood and fire and billows of smoke.The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord.”
Luke 21:25-28: “There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. People will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”

Critics Speak Out
Not everyone accepts Hagee’s theoretical paradigm.
Christian expert Hank Hanegraaff, the “Bible Answer Man” who is no stranger to speaking out against certain end-times prophecies, is among the many critics of Hagee’s end-times philosophy.
He called the theory of the four blood moons “appalling” and “deplorable,” flatly dismissing it in a recent interview with TheBlaze.
“What these purveyors of blood moon theology [are doing] is taking the natural use of the stars, which God ordains, and perverting it with superstitiousness which God disdains,” Hanegraaff said. “The heavenly bodies are used for separating the night from the day … [for] marking seasons, from giving light on the Earth and so forth.”

 

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Hanegraaff examined the verses Hagee cited, noting that while Peter references Joel 2:20-21 in the verses invoked in Acts 2:19-20, there’s no evidence that these scriptures are to be taken as future predictions in the modern era.
“Peter talks about the ultimate day of judgement … it pertains to the coming of the Lord … coming in judgement on Jerusalem and ultimately it pertains to a second coming as well, but there’s no word whatsoever for taking the language of Joel and suggesting that somehow or other you can read from that language what is going to happen in the modern epic,” Hanegraaff said.
He also noted that the Spanish Inquisition began 15 years before the 1493 tetrad, though it is true that it wasn’t until 1492 that the Jews were expelled from the region.
Hanegraaff also pointed to some one-year differences as gaps in time that didn’t make the tetrads reliable in terms of connecting them to biblical prophecy. Consider, for instance, that Israel was founded in May 1948, but the tetrad didn’t start until 1949.

SEE VIDEO HERE (copy and paste this link in your browswer)

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/insideisrael/2014/February/Divine-Sign-for-Israel-Hagee-Explains-Blood-Moons/

Hanegraaff added: “Lunar exclipses are associated with Jewish events anyway. There should be no real surprise that you find these kinds of events happening.”
Kenneth L. Waters, associate dean and a New Testament professor at California’s Azusa Pacific University, agreed that it’s not entirely surprising that these dates would fall on Passover and Sukkot.
“[T]here is nothing particularly extraordinary about these holy days coinciding with a full moon,” he wrote in a CNN op-ed. “Jewish holy days are based upon a lunar calendar. Passover is always celebrated the first full moon after the vernal equinox and the Feast of Tabernacles is always the first full moon after the autumnal equinox.”
Ken Ham’s Answers in Genesis provided an overview of how the calendar works, agreeing that there’s nothing astounding about the dates lining up with Jewish holidays.
The group even provided tables to show that it’s not unique that eclipses sometimes fall on Jewish holidays, considering the Jewish calendar follows the moon (still, some will contend that it’s curious to see that this set of four consecutive blood moons has only unfolded on holidays eight times and is purportedly not set to happen again after the 2014-2015 tetrad).
Waters also made the point that the blood moons theory essentially sets a timetable, quoting Jesus in Matthew 24:26 saying of the end times: “However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. Only the Father knows.”

The blood moon was not visible from Israel on April 14. (Image source: NASA)

Dr. Danny Faulkner, an astronomer with Answers in Genesis, also noted that there are some limitations concerning where these blood moons are visible from during the 2014-2015 season.
“There also is a question of from what portion of the earth one ought to view these eclipses for them to constitute a sign,” he wrote. “One might think that Jerusalem would be a key site, but the first three total lunar eclipses in 2014–2015 won’t be visible from there, and only the beginning of the final eclipse will be. One must ask whether a sign that few people notice is much of a sign.”
Here’s a video attempt at debunking the theory that was put together by blogger and online radio host Chris White:

 A spokesman told USA Today this week that Hagee “has not associated the blood moons with the end of days” and only believes it in relation to Israel.
Watch Glenn Beck and Billy Hallowell discuss the four blood moons theory below:

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Science IS Religion? Yes.

Science and Religion

We all need to take a moment and step back and really examine why we choose to do what we do. We are all influenced in one way or another by our history, religion, science, culture and society we live in. The reality is science is the explanation of religion. On all points. The creator of the universe and everything in it is NOT a magician, but a scientist. Case in point: the mind and body advances through technological and medical sustenance. This same scientist also happens to be of a natural infinite energy, completely self-sustaining, which furthermore supports the fact the spirit that dwells within every human being needs the same amount, if not more, of nurturing development, attention and care. 

In an effort to bring the two together, I had meetings with pastors and leaders of various churches as well as scientists of independent laboratories that specialized in everything from stem cell research to the cure for the common cold. Needless to say, neither side would agree with the other completely, leaving with exactly what we came in with; an agreement to disagree. But all is not lost. This is good. This means that both sides will continue to do as they always have and furthermore prove my point. They were both correct in believing that we as a species need both in order to be complete. 


You see, the ability to think, feel, create and innovate are all natural elements you are born with as religion explains. The outcome of the decisions, the responses to the feelings, the results of the creations and the benefits or consequences of the innovations are all natural elements of science. One cannot exist without the other. They are relative whether you choose to believe this or not. They are attached in design whether you choose to accept this or not. Religion is the concept: Science is the reality. 

Existence and everything we have come to know about it, is proof that this statement is true. The idea of a planet that will support life started as an idea. Science made that idea a reality and here we are. Religion will continue to play an intricate role in our daily lives, no matter our personal position on any specific point such as god, devil, extraterrestrial biological entities or any other debatable topic we can find. Everyone from atheists to mainstream religious followers all have one thing in common: they exist! They exist as human beings, living completely by permission of each other in free will. We have the ability to collectively accomplish anything we set our minds to. Our literal "religion" - our set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of life, is only accomplished, achieved and realized through our literal "science" - our knowledge and understanding of the components of our natural world. So without a doubt and without contest, science is a religion for what its worth and the two will always coexist as a compliment to the other. 


Just because you do not believe in something does not mean it does not exist. Every question has an answer. How you feel about the answer does not change the facts. For example: place a pencil under a piece of paper. The pencil becomes invisible. It does not mean the pencil does not exist. It simply means you cannot see it. Like the air we breathe-like the wind; it's there even though you can't see it. By choosing not to believe in air is not going to take it out of existence; just like choosing to believe the pencil is not under that piece of paper is not going to take that pencil out of existence. If the temperature gets cold enough, the air is revealed. The same as if you move that piece of paper, you will find the pencil is still there. Fact is fact; regardless of how you feel. You can say, I don't believe in pencils, but that pencil is still going to be there regardless. 


Another example: I don't believe in paying taxes either, but that doesn't make the I.R.S. go away and poof them out of existence. Just because I don't believe in it, doesn't mean they're going to stop taking deductions out of my paycheck. In other words, even if you choose to believe or not believe; it does not matter to the factual reality, because that is the just the way it is.

Now to address the other side of this, you have free will. You have the ability to accept or deny any factual basis you encounter. In other words, you can choose to use that pencil and write on that paper or you can choose to use a pen or some other implement that you believe in. You can choose to pay your taxes or you can choose not to and put your money into something you believe in. It is your world coexisting with the real one you live in. One of the best lines I heard in a movie was from "Bruce Almighty" when Bruce asks God, "well can I ask 'why' and God says yes, you can! That's the beauty of it!" So for now, you may not agree with everything that was, is or is going to happen before, during or after you are gone from this life, but you are completely entitled to think, feel and respond in any way you choose during your stay here at the fabulous five star Hotel de' Existence.
-DeMaster Thomas

 

TRUTHFUL PROGNOSTICS FROM EGYPT:

found in the library of Dr. Plein Horatio, Astronomer of  the Khedive of Egypt.
Is it superstition or fact?

(Decode Clue: Un Zero Poate)

Out of {42} days of the entire year are unfortunate days:

January - 1,2,6,11,17,18

February - 8,16,17

March - 1,12,13,15

April - 3,14,17,18

May - 8,10,17,30

June - 1,7,10

July - 1,5,6

August - 1,3,18,20

September - 15,18,30

October - 15,17

November - 1,7,11

December - 1,7,11

dat 2011

It is hereby noted:

1. If one is sick on one of these days mentioned, they will not easily recover.

2. A child born on such a day will not live long and if it lives, it will be poor health and vigor.

3. If persons marry on any of these days, they will be apt to separate and live in quarrel and poverty. 

4. If a person commences a voyage on such a day, they will generally return home sick or met with an accident in body or goods.

5. During these mentioned forty-two days, five days are especially unlucky days.

DO NOT TRAVEL ON: MARCH 3, AUGUST 17, SEPTEMBER 1, 2, AND 30

One who sheds blood on April 1, August 1, December 1; will die within seven to eight days thereafter. 

(Dr. Horatio explains why he believed based on his scientific data, these supernatural things would happen)

APRIL 1 - biblical Judas the traitor was born on this day.

AUGUST 1 - biblical Satan was rejected from Heaven on this day.

DECEMBER 1 - biblical Sodom "to" Gomorrah were destroyed.

(Now it is crucial for the sake of accuracy that we stop here and explain this largely misunderstood fact. While indeed Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed, it is imperative to mention it was not just those two cities caught in the crossfire of judgment. The cities of Admah, Zeboim and Zoar were also included. These five cities, also known as the "cities of the plain," were situated on the River Jordan plain in the southern region of the land of Canaan. The Jordan River plain has been compared to that of the Garden of Eden,^[Gen.10:13] being a land well watered and green, suitable for grazing livestock. Divine judgment by Yahweh was then passed upon Sodom and Gomorrah along with two other neighboring cities that were completely consumed by fire and brimstone. Neighboring Zoar was the only township to be spared during that day of judgment.^{[Deut.29:23][Gen.10:19]}

 

In Christianity and Islamic traditions, Sodom and Gomorrah have become synonymous with impenitent sin, and their fall with a proverbial manifestation of God's wrath.^{[Jude 1:7][1]} Sodom and Gomorrah have also been used as metaphors for vice and homosexuality viewed as a deviation. The story has therefore given rise to words in several languages, including the English word "sodomy", used in so-called sodomy laws to mean basically any sexual act deemed unnatural.^[2]

^{Whoever is born on any of these unhappy days will die of a violent death or will be disgraced before the world and seldom reaches old age.}
-DeMaster Thomas

SCIENCE CONFIRMS RELIGION: AGAIN!

Wed Mar 30, 11:36 am ET

Could lead codices prove ‘the major discovery of 

Christian history’?

By Chris Lehmann

British archaeologists are seeking to authenticate what could be a landmark discovery in the documentation of early Christianity: a trove of 70 lead codices that appear to date from the 1st century CE, which may include key clues to the last days of Jesus' life. As UK Daily Mail reporter Fiona Macrae writes, some researchers are suggesting this could be the most significant find in Christian archeology since the Dead Sea scrolls in 1947.

The codices turned up five years ago in a remote cave in eastern Jordan—a region where early Christian believers may have fled after the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 CE. The codices are made up of wire-bound individual pages, each roughly the size of a credit card. They contain a number of images and textual allusions to the Messiah, as well as some possible references to the crucifixion and resurrection. Some of the codices were sealed, prompting yet more breathless speculation that they could include the sealed book, shown only to the Messiah, mentioned in the Book of Revelation. One of the few sentences translated thus far from the texts, according to the BBC, reads, "I shall walk uprightly"--a phrase that also appears in Revelation. "While it could be simply a sentiment common in Judaism," BBC writer Robert Pigott notes, "it could here be designed to refer to the resurrection."

But the field of biblical archaeology is also prey to plenty of hoaxes and enterprising fraudsters, so investigators are proceeding with due empirical caution. Initial metallurgical research indicates that the codices are about 2,000 years old--based on the manner of corrosion they have undergone, which, as Macrae writes, "experts believe would be impossible to achieve artificially."



Beyond the initial dating tests, however, little is confirmed about the codices or what they contain. And the saga of their discovery has already touched off a battle over ownership rights between Israel and Jordan. As the BBC's Pigott recounts, the cache surfaced when a Jordanian Bedouin saw a menorah—the Jewish religious candleabra—exposed in the wake of a flash flood. But the codices somehow passed into the ownership of an Israeli Bedouin named Hassam Saeda, who claims that they have been in his family's possession for the past 100 years. The Jordanian government has pledged to "exert all efforts at every level" to get the potentially priceless relics returned, Pigott reports.



Meanwhile, biblical scholars who have examined the codices point to significant textual evidence suggesting their early Christian origin. Philip Davies, emeritus professor of Old Testament Studies at Sheffield University, told Pigott he was "dumbstruck" at the sight of plates representing a picture map of ancient Jerusalem. "There is a cross in the foreground, and behind it is what has to be the tomb [of Jesus], a small building with an opening, and behind that the walls of the city," Davies explained. "There are walls depicted on other pages of these books, too, and they almost certainly refer to Jerusalem."

David Elkington, an ancient religion scholar who heads the British research team investigating the find, has likewise pronounced this nothing less than "the major discovery of Christian history." Elkington told the Daily Mail that "it is a breathtaking thought that we have held these objects that might have been held by the early saints of the Church."



Still, other students of early Christian history are urging caution, citing precedents such as the debunked discovery of an ossuary said to contain the bones of Jesus' brother James. New Testament scholar Larry Hurtado observes that since these codices are miniature, they were likely intended for private, rather than liturgical, use. This would likely place their date of origin closer to the 3rd century CE. But only further research and full translation of the codices can fully confirm the nature of the find. The larger lesson here is likely that of Ecclesiastes 3:1—be patient, since "to everything there is a season."

(David Elkington/Rex Features/Rex USA)

The Seals of the Apocalypse: Revealed!

Sealed Codices Discovered: Revelation’s Seals of the Apocalypse?

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There has been an intriguing discovery.  Ancient codices inscribed on lead plates and bound together may describe events from the earliest point in Christianity.  I’m skeptical.  If these were discovered by archeologists, I’d be happier.  Instead, there is a story of these being found by a Bedouin in Jordan who then passed it on across into Israel.  Sounds suspicious, and there have been forgeries of religious artifacts in the past.
However, assuming this is the real thing, we can speculate that these small codices may be the books mentioned in the Bible’s Book of Revelation.
Could this be the biggest find since the Dead Sea Scrolls? Seventy metal books found in cave in Jordan could change our view of Biblical history
“Adding to the intrigue, many of the books are sealed, prompting academics to speculate they are actually the lost collection of codices mentioned in the Bible’s Book of Revelation.”
Could this artifact actually be the book described in Revelation 5:1-4?
“And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof? And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon. And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.”
Since these are made of lead, I assume we’d have to break the seals to open and read them.  We can’t use an X-ray.  The problem is in Revelation, breaking the seven seals will lead to the apocalypse as expressed by the metaphor of the Horsemen of the Apocalypse.  As described in Revelation 6, break the first seal and the White Horse appears, break the second seal, the Red Horse arrives, the third seal, the Black Horse, and so on.
Is this discovery a Christian Pandora’s Box?  In Greek myth Pandora’s Box contained the world’s evils, all its devils, and when Pandora opened the box this evil was unleashed on the world.  If one of these sealed codices is actually the book mentioned in Revelation, could breaking the seals usher in the end of the world?
One of the sealed books pictured has seven rings sealing it, along with rings acting as a hinge on one side.  Let’s hope they are forgeries!  If not, then the appearance of these codices may not be a literal Pandora’s Box, but instead may be a sign, a portent, and an omen of doom.  To break the seals may be a fulfillment of prophecy!  If so, I suggest we don’t break the seals, and let the books remain sealed, mysterious artifacts.

The Antichrist is Not Islam

The AntiChrist is NOT just about Islam

Joel Richardson book:  The Islamic Antichrist

I totally agree with the review by Jacob Prasch’s below from Moriel Ministries. I have said all along that this is nothing but a deception – that Islam will produce the anti-Christ. This theory has been placed out there for a long time to take the eyes of the world off the REAL enemy. And nope I too am not understating the fact that, YES Islam is anti-Christ, YES Buddhism is anti-Christ, YES Hinduism is anti-Christ, YES anyone who does not adhere to the Word of God and denies Jesus Christ the only begotten son of God is an anti-Christ. Someone who is against (anti) Jesus Christ.
The Man of Lawlessness is however THE anti-Christ (who will be the CHRIST OF ALL RELIGIONS) and his False Prophet is the WHORE spoken of in Revelations; The Roman Catholic Church and it’s Goddess Mary ‘Queen of Heaven’.
The Man of Lawlessness, THE FALSE CHRIST is the Roman Catholic ‘Eucharist Christ’, he is the Islamic ‘Imam Mahdi’, he is the 5th Buddha ‘Maitreya’, he is the Hindu ‘Krishna’, he is the Jewish ‘Messiah’. He is NOT Jesus Christ the only begotten Son of the One and Only Living God.
There is a new book out there that is causing a bit of a stir and sending people off in the wrong direction again. No, no peeps. When someone says, ‘Oh look there! Is it a bird…is it a plane…?” And while you squint into the glaring sun, the Pope picked up his robes and tip toed out the back door right behind you, so as not to be seen. It’s what is most commonly called a ‘diversion’…

Joel Richardson – The Islamic Antichrist

In “The Islamic Antichrist”, Joel Richardson breaks new ground with this devastating account of the possible connection between the Biblical Antichrist and the Islamic Mahdi. The Bible predicts that in the last days a charismatic leader will establish a global following in the name of peace. The Koran also predicts that a man will rise up to lead the nations, pledging to usher in an era of peace. The man in the Koran is called the Mahdi, or Islam’s savior. However, the man in the Bible is the Antichrist. Could it be possible that this is the same person?
Richardson’s stunning research and analysis suggest that it is. In “The Islamic Antichrist”, he exposes Western readers to the traditions of Islam and predicts that the end times may not be that far away. His book will stun readers who are unaware of the similarities between the Antichrist and the ‘Islamic Jesus.’
Sample Chapter titles include “Islamic Eschatology,” “The Sacred Texts of Islam,” “Comparing the Biblical Antichrist and the Mahdi,” “The Dark Nature of Muhammad’s Revelations,” “How Should we Respond,” and “Preparing for Martyrdom.” 
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Is Religion Right or Wrong for Humanity?

It is considered to be self-evident that religion in-and-of itself has many advantages:
1. Religion is a source of hope and optimism
2. Religion promotes feelings of good will and sense of belonging
3. Religion supports healthy awareness of self and others

As with all elements of life, there is the other side of the coin:

1. Edgar Pearlstein said, "religion is divisive and provides impetus for discrimination, cruelty, family breakup, and persecution toward those of different religion. Religion is a medium for some people's hypocrisy. Even murder and child neglect are sometimes ordered by the god."
2. "One who spoke “twisted things” was the Roman Catholic theologian Augustine. Jesus had taught his followers to convince others by reasoning from the Scriptures. However, Augustine twisted the meaning of Jesus’ words recorded at Luke 14:23, “Compel them to come in,” to mean that it was all right to use force in the work of converting people. (Matthew 28:19, 20; Acts 28:23, 24) Augustine used religion to control people," adds Nando Rodriguez. 

And then there is the invite of what "type" of religion we mean here:

Science flies you to the moon. Religion flies you into buildings?

"Just to let you guys know, I'm atheist, but I find something a bit misleading about this statement. Let's refer to the invention of the atomic bomb, and the decision to bomb Hiroshima-Nagasaki and how it whipped out more innocent people than all the people who died in the 9/11 terrorist attack. I'm pretty sure this scientific invention didn't take those Japanese people to the moon. I'm not denying that religion hasn't done horrible things in this world. I'm just saying science also has caused evil things for NON-RELIGIOUS PURPOSES."-Disorderly Conduct Online

And then there is the point where worlds collide: 

Israeli Army/Church of Israel

A. Hitler/Catholic Church

Al-Qaida/Islamist Church

US Armed Forces/Christian Church

-DeMaster Thomas-